It's too crazy-much, I tell you! You simply have to read this for yourself, the comments from the persistent James Carlson and what appears to be a sock puppet going by the names of "Concatenation of Facts" and "Meet Me After Class, Mr. Lehmberg" are precious. As usual, Alfred Lehmberg fights to the good fight! Well he should, the attacks and comments are stupidly distracting noise and almost psychotic. For example: Bill and Nancy Birnes, Lehmberg, Emma, Vaeni, all in it together to promote a hoax concerning the disturbing and unethical actions of David Jacobs? No, we don't take any of this seriously, but it must be exposed for the nonsense screeching noise it is:
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Just for once I'd like to know why the "good fight" continues to be a complete rejection of the first hand testimony established by the only two officers present at Echo Flight in favor of voice recordings that have no provenance, that Robert Hastings has already admitted are incomplete and edited, and have been completely rejected by the subject of those alleged recordings. Col. Figel has stated more than once that the recordings you rely on to establish UFO interference at Echo Flight are completely false, that his statements have been misinterpreted and taken out of context, and represent an assumption of a UFO where no such UFO was present. Please tell me why these recordings should be accepted as an admission of UFO interference when Figel's own written statements in regard to those recordings establishes very clearly his denial of their worth. These are not charges that I've addressed -- they are charges well-established by the subject of those recordings. Col. Figel has made it very clear that those tapes do not represent his original testimony. He has accused both Salas and Hastings of fraudulent behavior, and yet this is all considered irrelevent by those trying to create a UFO from nothing.
As for Meiwald, if you people would simply read the transcripts of his interview with Hastings, you'd see that he remembers absolutely nothing about a UFO at Oscar Flight. How is this a confirmation, and why would anybody ignore it? It's not my persistence that brought these men forward. Their testimony was not written by me -- they wrote it or discussed the matter for themselves. This is blindeness in full. Please answer these questions, because I'm completely amazed that anybody would ignore statements this plain. Is it "precious" to ignore witnessed claims? Is it "stupidly distracting" or "psychotic" to ignore eye-witness testimony? Is it "nonsense screeching noise" when a witness to an incident comes forward to say "I never said that" in relation to this case? Please explain to me what the "good fight" is, and why it embraces attacks on the integrity of those presenting such evidence while failing to account for that evidence. All I can see is an acceptance of testimony that the subject of that testimony rejects in full. If that's how you go about establishing a UFO case, it's no wonder people tend to ignore them. No offense, but it is the wanton denial of a massive collection of evidence that best resembles "psychotic" behavior.
The "good fight," Mr. Carlson, is taking steps to re-direct the narrative on a subject that garden-variety "noisome negativists" much like yourself and a more cowardly "Sock Puppet Boy"--hubristic piss-wits who laugh up damp sleeves at that which they have no capacity to understand, no aptitude to accept, no ability to incorporate, and no skill to recognize--hijack! Gird your loins, Sir.
Sounds to me and a whole lot of other people that the "good fight" by your terms is ignoring the credibility of your claims and repeated accounts showing evidence of fraud by those you apparently trust. There's no reason to "gird my loins" for anything coming from you or Robert Hastings -- you have yet to make a valid case! I tell you what, you can end this debate immediately by simply getting Col. Walt Figel and Col. Frederick Meiwald to each draft a simple statement that confirms the presence of a UFO during the missile failures incidents they have discussed. Any honest reporter would be able to do that. It would be easy for an honest man to back up his claims with such a simple statement. I don't have to gird my loins for anything coming from you, pal, because you have yet to do anything but insult people and try to hide your ineptness in silly language and poor attempts at wit. If you think you have a case, then make it. Right now, all you've done is parrot Hastings, and all he's done is make noise. It is his own witnesses that insist he is a fraud. If you can't get past that, then there's not a whole lot of point in you doing anything else. But if you can really confirm that these charges are false, then do it. I for one can't wait. Two little statements by two witnesses would confirm everything that Robert Hastings has claimed. You produce that, and you will earn something other than disdain and the reputation of a fool. Having already spoken with both men, I can hardly wait for the insulting noise you produce in another sad, pathetic attempt to cover up your inability to do anythng more than yelp. Why don't you show us if the "good fight" can produce anything more than your meaningless babbling.
I've told you and told you... I'm not going to read your one-sided and flatulent little masturbations until you learn hit the return key once in a while. Paragraph!
...Say it with me, Par-a-graph! I'd go on, but Spongebob Squarepants is on, and he's just more meaningful, eh? ... And you were starting to do so well, er... better. Yeah -- certainly better even if a lower case one.
Yeah, that's about what I thought... You have nothing that even resembles a case, so you rely on sarcasm, stupidity, and pointless insults; I had you pegged a long time ago, and you didn't disappoint -- you have nothing, so you try to hide that fact with worthless jargon. You're just wind -- all mouth and nothing to say ...
From your silly aggression then, I take it that the "good fight" doesn't mean that people should believe your claims, does it? It apparently doesn't mean you should be trusted to tell the truth or to report these incidents you discuss with any real degree of honesty either. So the "good fight" empowers you to insult everybody who disagrees with you or asks you to make a valid case supporting your claims, while allowing you alone the freedom to lie to the world and to establish a paranoid view of reality that you already know is false. It doesn't sound "good" to me. It sounds to me like you're just another hypocrite begging for change from the same people you're ripping off.
"_My_ silly aggression"?
Rofl! Irony, thy sting! Rofl! Go have a beer you fatuous bastard, I have... and you _still_ act like the south end of a north bound wildebeest.
Don't bother me 'till Monday.
And you want me to gird my loins? Flounder, then... and remember that you're the one with nothing to say, no case to make, and no reason to believe anything you have to say.
Gird 'em... it's the only use they're likely to get! Now, no more of your tedious mouth 'till Monday...
Bite me, pal. If you don't have a point to make, don't pretend you can come up with one later. The facts regarding this case are very clear, and you've thrown in your lot with men who are confirmed liars and frauds. You lack both good judgment and good manners, and you try to take it out on the people who have sense enough to see what you're not even willing to examine.
Confirmed?! Based on what angry rhetoric, impacted cognition, and threatened world view... oh wait, that's right! Your own.
http://ufomagazine.squarespace.com/ for more frosting then.
Wrong again ... based on the insistent testimony of those witnesses Salas and Hastings have relied on to establish their claims; aren't you paying attention?
Hastings and Salas claim that a UFO interfered with the missiles at Malmstrom AFB's Echo Flight and Oscar Flight in March 1967, an incident supposedly confirmed by two individuals: Col. Walt Figel and Col. Frederick Meiwald. Both of these witnesses, however, insist that Hastings and Salas are lying, i.e., frauds who created a UFO incident for their personal benefit; they both claim that there was no UFO, and that the incidents they have affirmed had nothing whatsoever to do with UFOs. They insist, and a tremendous amount of the evidence available confirms, that there was no UFO sighted, reported, or investigated at Echo Flight, and the incident described by Robert Salas at Oscar Flight never occured. Documented evidence completely supports these assertions. Col. Figel has repeatedly claimed that he never told anybody that a UFO was involved at Echo Flight. He insists that he told both Hastings and Salas that there was no UFO, and pointed out as well the numerous errors in their books that both men have refused to correct. He told them both that the absence of a UFO could also be confirmed by Col. Dick Evans, who was a flight leader in Salas' squadron during the incidents allegedly reported, and who was later involved in the actual investigation. Col. Evans also told them they were wrong, and denied completely that there was any UFO interference or sighting or report or investigation of such an incident. Figel has repeatedly insisted that Hastings and Salas are lying, and that they are frauds who have been lying about these events for 15-years. To this day, the only witness that Hastings and Salas have ever used to establish this myth at Echo Flight was Col. Walt Figel. Both my father, the commander at Echo Flight, and Col. Figel, the deputy commander at Echo Flight were the only men present at Echo Flight when the missiles went offline, and both have insisted for years that all of the UFO claims associated with this event are false. He told Hastings and Salas this and they ignored him.
If you have no grasp of the facts inherent to this case, you should refrain from discussing it. You are competely ignorant of the events involved, and you apparently have no desire correct that ignorance. Do you know what they call a man who makes claims that cannot be supported, while refusing to learn even the most basic facts associated with the case in question, simply to establish a myth that has no basis in reality? They call him a fraud. A man who makes such claims and insists that specific witnesses support those claims is called a liar when those same witnesses come forward to dispute their claims. Hastings has made claims in association with Figel's testimony in personal emails that were easily proven false, as was his knowledge of that falsity -- claims that are simply lies. That, too, confirms his status as a liar. Both Hastings and Salas have made claims on the basis of FOIA documents that they knew were incomplete; these claims, of course, cannot be established when all of the FOIA documents are examined -- documents they were aware of, but necessarily ignored in order to support their false claims. They call that fraudulent behavior.
Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit on the issues -- your ignorance confirms that you lack the ability to reach any valid conclusions in regard to these issues, while your aggression, your insults, your sarcasm, and your failure to establish any detailed evidence whatsoever to support your claims proves that you are unworthy of trust in regard to this matter.
Perhaps you should examine your own beliefs a bit more before insisting to the world that mine cannot be supported, especially in light of the fact that you have still not produced anything aside from your insulting and pretentious attitude to support those beliefs.
Rofl! That touched a button! ...But then there you go, going out of your way to give a damn what _I_ think. ...And at some length too... maybe ya wanna go out for drinks later.
If I am as uninformed as you say and just blindly following water nixies and elasticated faeries... you sure waste a lot of your time. I'm beginning to think you're sweet on me.
You really don't get it, do you? You are insignificant, and your opinion means nothing, so knowck off the false bravado. I'm not doing this for you -- I'm doing it for the benefit of those who aren't yet aware of the issues. Everytime you say something stupid and meaningless, you're giving me the opportunity to emphasize the actual evidence applied to this case. You think you're doing Salas and Hastings a good turn here by use of the "good fight"? You're not -- you're just making it more obvious that you don't have anything intelligent or convincing to say in regard to this case. Every response you've made is clearly a failed opportunity to back up your claims; everytime you spout off about every subject under the sky except UFOs at Malsmtrom 1967, you make it more apparent that you have no valid claims, you have no defensive responses on the issues, you have no facts or witness testimony to back up your claims, and you have no case to make -- all you can do is call attention to your complete impotence. I'm very satisfied with the opportunity to point out a handicapped point-of-view that you've fail to understand and lack the ability to counter. Your ignorance has always been a factor of your claims to me, but now you get to show your ignorance to others -- many of whom may not have been familiar with the facts; well, they are now. None of this is about you; it's about everybody else, readily defined and spelled out in order to call attention to the big nothing your point-of-view embraces and to lead others to consider real, supportable facts instead of the fraudulent actions of dreamers who lost the ability to dream a long, long time ago. You claim that I'm persistent? I'm not -- I'm just responding to more idiocy; the persistence is very clearly yours.
Riiiiight! So you're the solitary warrior tasked to return the mind of man to the one true faith of sense and sensibility. The lone Ronin, sword in righteous hand, whose job it is to lead the scientifically straying back to Cartesian fold. The unappreciated single soldier of stark reductionism sworn to end this ridiculous travesty of UFOs over our missile bases. Your effort strikes me for its pathetic theme of stark _singularity._
Verily, you _are_ to be commended, celebrated, and carried around on a little three cornered velvet cushion, feted as a hero. Cheered as Fellow! Knighted even! Sir Carlson ...Sounds a little like a kind of tea, though a weak one. One wonders how it is that none of this seems to come to pass as even the other guilds of skeptibunkery seem reluctant to pick up your facile banner. Curious.
That said, I'm glad I'm here presenting you with these serendipitous opportunities you, well... you don't seem to be getting any other way, eh? Perhaps your practice doesn't make things _perfect_ as much as it makes your lack of success _permanent_; you think? Onward Christian Soldier! Marching as to war! No really! Good luck with that. I know it's been a soggy slog.
In other words, you have nothing relevant to say at all. That's what I thought. You're basically just noise and whistles, aren't you? Don't answer that. You're a joke.
Riiiiight! I'll let you have the last discouraging word, then. So, how about those Broncos, eh?
And another fool bites the dust...
You're not "letting" me have anything, pal. You don't have anything relevant to say, because you're WRONG, just like Robert Hastings and Robert Salas are WRONG. The only difference between you and the two Bobs is the fact that either you're not creative enough, or you're not jaded enough to simply lie about the issues like they do. That may say something about your honesty in comparison with their's. Of course, it might just mean you're lazy. Either way, I doubt you'll learn anything from it. You people never do...
Uh-huh... "you people"?
Here's a hot flash for ya, chubby-buncher: I'm less than moved by your acrimony and opprobrium, eh? All I have to do is consider the source: See, you're the man it's reported by key persons to "have problems," readily displays classic anger management issues, and may even endure a suspect medical history. Robert Hastings, on the other hand, is a scholar and gentleman I've been associated with since 1994. Robert Salas is a vetted atomic missileer, retired civic engineer, and high school math and science teacher.
Apart from a big mouth, what are your qualifications? See the problem?
So, Figel and Meiwald proclaim Hastings and Salas ready liars with doctored recordings? Here's your solution!
Get your own recording! I believe both men are still with us, so where they want to set the record straight, there should be no problem getting them to go along, eh?
Get some more concrete evidence apart from your usual very tedious invective, mendacious mewling, and serial nastiness, or here's a thought!
Shut your fat slandering mouth! There's a start!
Now, who has what, little man? Who. Has. What. No fair begging for toilet paper from the next stall, you've already made a mess you can't clean up were even Hercules to step in and redirect the River Styx, eh?
Mon'back! Or save yourself further discredit and a possible stroke, boyo... and step off. ...Or keep transmitting to the world and a dwindling clutch of "supporters" as conflicted as you are that you're a likely nut-bag... and double down! I'm betting you'll opt for the latter, eh? The blaring words of a fool signify nothing even as they blare still...
Still living in your fantasy world, huh? Since when is it slanderous to refer to a man who continuously lies as a "liar"? Or a man who sells a book of proven fiction as non-fiction, a fraud? Don't answer ... you don't know enough good English to make a valid point. Generally, when you let someone else have the last word -- which you've now said twice -- you shut the f- up. But since you haven't said anything sensible in a decade or more, I think we can safely forget about you and your sad and lonely intentions. If you ever feel like talking to someone who doesn't live in his mother's basement trying to sell off his high school UFO diaries, give us a call. Maybe if you're a good boy, we'll give you an American flag and a cookie and you can tell the whole evil the rest of the world is, you pathetic sap.
All this time and you still haven't managed to make a point! What's the matter? Did mommy forget your birthday party? Or did Uncle Sam neglect to reward you for your little bit of service with nothing but a tarnished little coin that you promised never to carry around in your pocket anymore, because you were told to shut-up with the little fantasy stories and see a doctor? Or did you just decide "no more meds for me, mon frere..."?
Grow up for God's sake. You're supposed to be an adult. You want to weep, do it for somebody who gives a damn. You're a pathetic joke and a massive waste of my time, so I think I'll let you have the last word, now that you've cracked and shown what you're really made of -- star shine and moon beams and Uncle Sam's little hands on your ass...
Let me ask you one quick question: If Robert Salas had tapes of Walt Figel, the Echo Flight deputy commander, confirming his nonsense about a UFO taking out the missiles at Echo Flight, then why was he telling everybody at the same time that HE was the deputy commander at Echo Flight?
You don't know half as much as you think you know. For instance, you can't even confirm that those tapes you put so much emphasis on are actually tapes of Walt Figel. Walt Figel's comments and statements and letters in regard to Salas' and Hastings' little con games and lies and fraudulent acts have been REPEATEDLY confirmed, in some cases by Robert Hastings himself. Your problem is you've got too much imagination and not near enough shame. Plus there's the complete jackass factor. Can't forget that -- it's how "you people" stifle actual witnesses from coming forward to tell you what a load of crap your stories are made up of.
You want to put UFOs at Echo Flight? Then prove it, you moron. That's all anybody's ever asked of you, and you've failed, just like everything else you ever tried to string together with popcorn and fantasies and Dixie cups.
You put your trust in liars.
There is no redemption.
You will die without ever having your UFO dreams confirmed.
Deal with it...
Translation of the lovely Mr. Carlson's in-full-flight speech:
"I know that getting an opposing tape of Figel and Meiwald proclaiming Hastings and Salas 'ready liars' with 'doctored recordings' is impossible because I've plucked all my febrile and protracted--if preposterous--protests from my prolapsed anal pore."
...Yeah... we're done here.
...Last word? You don't earn the last word, Mr. Carlson.
P.S. You write like a drunk.
Riiight... still, that won't ease the old prolapse alluded to, will it. Moreover, not to be outdone, it could be said that you write like a person not quite having a grip on themselves. I suspect I have written the more cogent observation. Next!
...Crazy person writes, what?
All I can say is that I have come to dislike James Carlson so much, that I simply won't listen to him or engage in any discussion with him, regardless of the subject. I admit that this is based on sheer personal dislike.
Hey! Make no apologies. Sometimes personal dislike is enough... especially with JC, eh? See, there are justifications for your dislike which are plain and ample.
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